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Visual Editing

Hi, can anybody out here tell me how I can visually edit a table, as in this page. I could figure out how I can add a new row below a specific row, but could not figure out how to change the sl. no of all the following rows, after adding a new row. I could now answer the edit request on that talk page, not only because I could not do it, but because the edit request had not provided relevant details. Anyway, can anyone please tell me the procedure of doing it. For example, consider the following. I want to add a new row after 7th row. And add new details. So what is the procedure, using visual editing. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 14:18, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible It's a two step process, involving both Visual Editor and Source Editor. I have copied the source code from the article into my Sandbox as it's too risky playing around with tables directly - and especially as this is just a demo. See (Note that my edit summary links to the source page where the authors are credited - do this even in your sandbox please, as we need to credit other people's work when we upload it, as it isn't really ours to claim as our own)
  1. You'll see I have added my very own, well-known and highly-popular YouTube Channel to a newly inserted row at position 8.
  2. You should do that bit most easily in Visual Editor by Selecting Row 7, clicking the Chevron button that appears on the far left of the table and selecting Insert below.
  3. Now type in all the information/data that you can, obviously numbering this as Row 8.
  4. Ignore the fact that text is not aligned, you'll fix that in the next step.
  5. Now save your edits (Publish Changes) then go back in, but via Edit Source so that you're editing the wikimarkup.Do not use VE. Find the row with the newly added data. (Tip: use Ctrl-F to search for my surname, so you're taken straight there.)
  6. Find the line containing the position number '8' that you added. It will look likethis: |8
  7. Copy and paste the style command from an existing centred cell and paste it in so it looks like this: | style="text-align:center" |8
  8. Preview it to check it's centred, and repeat elsewhere as necessary.
  9. For flags and so forth, find an exisiting row contining what you need and paste that in to the empty cell (also within Source Editor, not in VE)
  10. Finally, you will now have to manually edit every subsequent row so that the row number shifts up one to accommodate the newly-inserted row. (You cannot do this automatically as you might using Excel.) It should take you just a few minutes to fix this. I stopped at fixing this at row 20, which is why there are two rows numbered 20 in my demo. Again, don't use VE for this step.
Please visit this Help page to appreciate what you can do in Visual Editor and all its limitations. You can't, for example, change colours with VE - you must use source editor. The 1st line of that section I linked to mentions a 'Phabricator' list of tasks to improve VE. Follow it to appreciate what can and can't yet be done. See
Whilst you might be frustrated that you can't do everything in Visual Editor, just remember that this tool was devised to make basic editing simpler and more WYSIWYG for beginners. Experienced editors generally tend to avoid Visual Editor and prefer using Source Editor. You are now asking about very complex editing, where either only Source Editor or a combination of both editing tools will be necessary.
I hope this all makes sense. Please ping me know when you've done with the stuff in my Sandbox, and I'll then delete the content from it. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:49, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
PS: Another little tip for you: Enter as much data as you can in VE. If you can't add what you want, leave some placeholder text like aaaa bbbb ccccc etc in its place. This make it much, much easier to find the right cell to edit late in Source Editor/wikimarkup. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:54, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
@Nick Moyes I really don't have words to thank you man. You just helped me beyond imagination. I really did not imagine, you would use your precious time in writing so much for me. I read this page. But could not find any help. But see, you gave me the the necessary page, which has the right information. But I could not find it myself - so foolish. I just sometimes tend to wonder, how some Wikipedians, know about every help page in Wikipedia, and have explored every nook and corner of Wikipedia. They know the exact help pages, for the exact problem, and they know which help page has that needed information. For example see, the page that I was looking into, and the page that you gave me. Such a difference. I thought I might get help from the Visual Editor help page, but you gave me the actual page which has the information that I need, the Help:Table page, under the VE section. Although both the pages may seem to have the same kind of information, but it is a huge difference. And see you also left me a PS: and gave me your great tip. Yes, in that way, it is really easy to find out. Thank you again for helping me learn Wikipedia, and with all the elder Wikipedians' kind help, I am learning so fast. Thanks again. Have a nice Wikipedia career. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 04:56, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
@Nick Moyes But I cannot figure out one thing, while writing the name of the channel I wrote Itcouldbepossible, but wikipedia is thinking it to be a page, and in the preview section, I see that it is writing like [1], which it thinks to be a link, for further reference you can see that in your sandbox. While yours is not looking like mine. Can you figure out and tell me what is wrong with me. I am always getting confused. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 05:03, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
@Itcouldbepossible The only think "wrong with you" is your wonderful fascination in some of the minutae of Wikipedia. Nerdiness is an asset here, as is a desire to ask questions and to learn. I only hope you then put what you're learning into practice. That's why I was willing to spend time answering someone's technical questions (even though I'm no expert on tables at all - or indeed much else, if I think about it!)
The best way to learn from one's errors is first to accept that one must have made a mistake, and then to keep analysing the problem until you suddenly go ahah! that's my mistake. You never forget those types of mistakes, and that's how we learn through life.
Although not normally encouraged, I give you permission to go into that section of my sandbox and make an edit there to show me the problem you're encountering. I'm not 100% sure what you're seeing. My link was actually a wikilink to the Teahouse, modified to display my name. (In my settings it shows up as a green WP:REDIRECT for clarity, but might not on yours. A red link is to a page that doesn't exist, whether it's an article page, a user page or something else. The link you've just pasted above was to If you had put it as an external link (using one square bracket), it would look like this: [1] Both would not work becaue you accidentally repeated the elements. You actually needed as an external link, though that would not be appropriate for a table. This also works: Itcouldbepossible - I forced the User: bit to not display by putting a vertical pipe character at the end.
Now I think you asked somewhere else about how we learn all this stuff. Watching, reading, doing and making mistakes. It's taken me 10 years of editing to pick up the stuff I'm now happy to share with you, but I was quite able to do most of the basic editing (apart from tables - they're really scary!) after quite a short time. I worry a bit that you're wanting to "run before you can walk", but I hope I've now managed to answer all your various questions. Good luck! Nick Moyes (talk) 11:38, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
@Nick Moyes Yes, you are answering all my questions to my content. And you were saying about putting into use what I am learning. Yes, I am doing that. For example when I copied the table from your sandbox to my new tables sandbox, I wrote from whom I have copied the table. What I am wanting to say is that for example I want a wiki link to my talk page, which would show up like "Itcouldbepossible", using the vertical pipe (|) character. Then why cannot I do that? Itcouldbepossible (talk) 12:28, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
Very simple. [[User talk:Itcouldbepossible|Itcouldbepossible]] renders as Itcouldbepossible. For help on wikilinks, see Help:Wikilinks. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:38, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
@David Biddulph Thanks, that was what I was wanting to do from the beginning. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 13:13, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
@Itcouldbepossible If you edit the source to this thread and look at my reply above, you should see exactly how I did it. The alternative is still to use the vertical pipe after your username, but to add different text (either your own name without the User: bit) or as I did when linking you to Albert Einstein! You'll work it out. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:48, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
@Nick Moyes Yes thank you, I wanted to tell you this from the very beginning. But you could not understand it, anyway, thank you for all the other help that you provided. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 13:24, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
@Nick Moyes Also I want to know how I can turn by wiki redirects to green as you said here - In my settings it shows up as a green WP:REDIRECT for clarity Itcouldbepossible (talk) 13:26, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
@Nick Moyes Is it possible to mask external links to read the way I want. I mean Wiki links can be renamed as the editor wishes, is there any way in which external links can be masked, or is it at all possible? Itcouldbepossible (talk) 13:30, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
@Itcouldbepossible Yes. You could have something like:
External links
Is that what you meant? Nick Moyes (talk) 20:28, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
@Nick Moyes Yes thank you, that is what I meant. I wanted to know how to mask external links. So we put a "/" isn't it??? Instead of using "|" to mask to external links. Thanks for telling me. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 03:27, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
No. It's a space after the url that's needed. Look at the source code of my links to see for yourself. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:42, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Tables

Today I was editing random articles, when I came across Nach Baliye. I was reading the article, trying to find for any errors, when I came across this table [2]. I just sort of went mad seeing this table. Just a well formatted and advanced table, with all the color schemes, and just nice cell merging. Can anyone, for heaven's sake tell me how that table was created with all those attractive features. I don't really think that the Wiki markup was typed out. There must be some modern graphical interface, for doing such a tedious thing. I want to know how that table was created. I would really be glad, if I get the answer from someone who is an expert in this matter, and has been editing Wikipedia for a couple of years, because, I want the exact and precise method of creating such a table. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 14:58, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

I've been editing for over 10 years and wouldn't dare to create such a thing. I have, however, created very long data tables by starting in Excel, getting all the sorting, the text and the wikilinks and in the right places before exporting it with a tool to Wikimarkup. But I'm not aware of a tool to make tables look pretty like that - so I shall await for answers from other users more experienced in such things, too. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:27, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
@Itcouldbepossible: It takes work, often over time with improvements by different editors, often starting with copying the format from another page. The first similar table in the article was added by an IP here with edit summary "added table like other shows Jhalak". That may refer to Jhalak Dikhhla Jaa (season 9)#Scoring Chart or an earlier season. It could maybe be tracked further back but I haven't tried. Help:Table has general help but it's complicated. Much of it is the same or similar as HTML tables which some editors already know. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:50, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter Yes, but how did that specific table appear in Jhalak Dikhhla Jaa (season 9)#Scoring Chart. How was it created??? And also I wanted to know one thing, how on Earth did you find that specific page history, when the table was added?? I have seen many people doing so. Is their anyway of finding out when a specific edit was first made, and the what edits followed?? I really don't think that you flicked through the page history. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 04:14, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
@Itcouldbepossible There are various ways to find when an edit was first made. The slow way is to look at 500 edits in View History at a time. Let's assume that covers the entire history (if not, just increase the number to 5000 in the url bar), then you can find a rough midway point, click (and note down) the date you clicked. Is the edit showing there? IF yes, go down and divide the lower half of edits into half again, and select another date to click. Is the edit there? If 'No', then it will have been made between those two date points. Divide the edits roughly in half again and then again until you find the first one where that edit was made. Doing this in conjunction with looking at View History (green numbers are positive count of bytes added/red are negative overall additions) makes this just a few minutes work. It took me just a few moments to do that for Nach Baliye, speeded up by using Ctrl-F to search for 'Scoring Chart', of which there were 823 mentions in the edit summaries. I went to the lowest one, then scrolled down a dozen or so edits further and found a massive addition by an IP on 9 March 2019 with a very helpful edit summary. Job done.
Of course, that's the slow way. For simplest way to find when a short text string was first added to an article is to copy it, then go to the View History tab. Just above all the row entries, click Find addition/removal to use the 'WikiBlame' tool. Be aware that by default it only searches 500 of the latest edits before the date selected. So it will miss the first addition of text if it's a very heavily edited page as this one is unless you spend time to understand how to take advantage of the tool's searching features. I wouldn't use it to search for a chart being added, but I might focus on just one unique element or keyword in that chart. Hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:09, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
@Nick Moyes Thanks, I learnt a new thing. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 10:49, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
You can sort of see the evolution (of what I believe is the original & IPs copied over to other seasons) over a couple of months of 2012. That user User:Imtitanium has added a lot of tables to Hindi TV pages.
Hindi tv attracts strong fan enthusiasm, but there's also been history of paid editing in Hindi TV (and India business related topics); both together might explain the prettiness. Hemanthah (talk) 13:26, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
@Nick Moyes Thanks for the answer. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 04:07, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

User level

Hi, I wanted to know how I can add a user level. I mean there will be a bar on my user page, and it will fill up as I edit articles. And beside it would be written, my next user level. Any idea on how to do that? Itcouldbepossible (talk) 09:32, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Here's a workaround, Itcouldbepossible. Just edit articles, constructively. Soon you will be "extended confirmed". Most people are, and few people will be surprised or much interested to know that you are. There are some other very minor superpowers that you can acquire; but again, few people will be interested. Some superpowers are a bit out of the ordinary, and you might want to advertise one or other of these; on the other hand, advertising them may seem somewhat vulgar. Best is to aim to be an article-improving Clark Kent. -- Hoary (talk) 11:58, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
@Itcouldbepossible Welcome to Tea House! As @Itcouldbepossible stated, it's rarely of interest to anyone else. This essay on WP:HATCOLLECTING could be useful on the mostly harms/some benefits of gamifying your user page with statistics. I do indulge myself with Wikipedia:Service awards as a way of marking specific tiers of editing. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:57, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
@Hoary@Shushugah Actually I was talking about service award progress templates. I have finally found out. But still can anyone here give me some more service award progress template link? Itcouldbepossible (talk) 09:14, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
@Itcouldbepossible: Hi there! You may be interested in Wikipedia:Service awards. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:34, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
@GoingBatty Thanks for the page. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 02:47, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Notofication Bot

Hi, I was blocked for sometime, for being thought to be a sockpuppet. But it was proved to be false. I saw that I had written many things in the teahouse, but no archival notification came. Does bots ignore blocked users?? Itcouldbepossible (talk) 09:11, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

There are 3 Teahouse archives in which your username appears, & you received notification for each of those 3. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:31, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
@David Biddulph So when will all the rest be archived??? Itcouldbepossible (talk) 03:31, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
The next time the archiving bot runs after the specified conditions are met (48 hours after the last reply to a thread). --David Biddulph (talk) 08:39, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello & Help!

Hello Wiki, I'm new. I'm a long term user and donate a small amount per month. I have a public profile as a Visual Artist and really need to get a page for my profile. I am also autistic and my career is being held back by not having a page. Please could you advise me on how to do this? Many thanks and best, Becky BeckyBeasley (talk) 10:42, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

BeckyBeasley Donations to the Foundation are welcome, but Wikipedia is a separate entity. Being a donor or not has no influence on content being accepted. To you main question, Wikipedia frowns on but does not prohibit attempts at autobiography. See WP:Auto. The problem is that it is hard to write about oneself while maintaining a neutral point of view and supplying third party references for what you know to be true. If you meet the criteria for notability as an artist, that means that other people - with no connection to you - are already publishing stuff about you. For examples of articles about women artists, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Women artists, the New Articles Created section. Always remember that Wikipedia is not social media, hence the the ideat that it contains 'articles', not 'pages'. David notMD (talk) 11:18, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
If potential clients are baulking at your lack of a Wikipedia page, you never wanted them as clients to begin with. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 16:31, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Movie Chat Room

 – Fixed formatting. Wikignome Wintergreentalk 18:48, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Is there is movie chat room on here? Table at dorsia (talk) 18:42, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, @Table at dorsia. We don't have any chat fora on Wikipedia at all, as general chit chat is totally discouraged. (see WP:NOTFORUM). However, we do have Wikipedia:WikiProject Film which was formed by editors interested in improving articles about movies. You might find a visit there of interest. Nick Moyes (talk) 18:52, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
Ok cool. Thanks. Can I thank people? or how do I thank or show appreciation to people? Table at dorsia (talk) 19:18, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
You can thank people by text on a user's talk page (just make sure it's not a casual conversation unrelated to Wikipedia), but you can also thank people through edits by hitting the "View history" button on an article and can hit the thank button (located next to the undo button). This will publicly send thanks to the person for the selected edit. There is also a Wikipedia:WikiLove feature (top right of a user page), allowing you to send WP:Barnstars and general appreciation to a user. Happy editing! - cheezejack | talk | contributions - 19:57, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
Got it! I sent you a goat as a thank you. Table at dorsia (talk) 13:39, 26 November 2021 (UTC)


I'm working on this Draft:History_of_uranium_mining_in_the_Bancroft_area but can't figure out how to label the pins on the map, or add a label for the map. Am I going ot have to learn a ton, or is it easy, or does anyone want ot vounteer to help? CT55555 (talk) 00:03, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

I see you're working with mapframe directly. Perhaps you could use templates listed on WP:MAPS? If your use case is a map with a couple of pin points, OSM Location map template is easier from what I've seen on some map pages. Hemanthah (talk) 06:05, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
See this diff on my sandbox where I used the co-ordinates from your draft to show an OSM map with two labeled points. You can copy that and add further points as you wish. Hemanthah (talk) 06:27, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
Hemanthah Thanks. What you started is perfect. I'm working on it in my sandbox now (so feel free to delete from yours) many thanks. CT55555 (talk) 12:21, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

How to have words between parenthesis and the parenthesis appear in the hovering preview

Hello. I would like for "Catholicate of the West (Catholic Apostolic Church)" of the lede of the article Catholicate of the West to appear in the preview when one hovers one's mouse over the hyperlink of the article. Currently, only "Catholicate of the West " (with a spaces where "(Catholic Apostolic Church)" should be) appears. Veverve (talk) 02:01, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

I think you're referring to Hovercards aka Page Previews? In it's current implementation, they've decided to exclude text within parentheticals. Hemanthah (talk) 04:17, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
@Veverve There is a very good reason for not wanting content in brackets to appear within the brief preview text, as there are innumerable occasions where trivial information (alternative spellings, pronunciations, multi-language names etc) would simply drown out the key lead sentence, leaving you little understanding of the subject being previewed.
Off the top of my head Mont Blanc might be one of the lesser examples where you would not want to se the trivial information before the key facts. However, your example is already appallingly bloated by eight other synonyms hidden between commas within the first sentence before you get to the key part which actually says what it is - namely a Christian denomination established in 1944. This renders the lead appallingly unreadable and, personally, I would move all the alternative names into brackets or most or all within the second sentence of the lead paragraph.
But, if this is important to you, why not switch within your personal Preferences to using Navigation Popups? I now use Nav Popups all the time as it gives me much more detailed preview preview information which might meets my needs, and access to much more information about the page's history. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:58, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
@Veverve Thank you very much for immediately changing the article layout on this suggestion. I believe it will make the page much more accessible. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:04, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
@Hemanthah: yes, this is what I am referring to.
@Nick Moyes: you are right, I moved the other names into a second paragraph.
I hoped there was a template which would allow those parts to be present in the hovercards for any reader, in a similar spirit as to how Template:Not a typo alows to make some terms an exception. Veverve (talk) 10:08, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
@Veverve I'm sure there isn't. However, I've just merged your two separate paragraphs back into one single one for the same reason that you sought in the first place. Namely, to provide information via the hovercard. In your version my NavPopus only showed one single sentence, but my latest edit now lets a user see the synonyms, too (including your favoured bit in parentheses). Nick Moyes (talk) 13:26, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Proper attribution of fictitious authors

I've noticed an article quoting Masha Arimanova of gaming magazine GAME.EXE. However, this is actually one of multiple fictitious characters that the magazine attributed reviews to, see [[3]] for more details. Is it still correct practice to write stuff like 'Masha Arimanova of Game.EXE described the experience as "complex, but fleeting"', when that is not the actual name of the reviewer? InclusiveOR (talk) 07:44, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote2.svg Courtesy link: ru:Game.EXE#Мифология jumps to the relevant section.  melecie  t - 08:19, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
InclusiveOR, it's quite normal in Wikipedia articles to describe this or that as written by Lewis Carroll, Yukio Mishima, etc, even though these were not their actual names. I suppose you could write "Masha Arimova (a pseudonym)" or "Masha Arimova (a fictitious name)" if you wanted to (and if you could reliably source the pseudonymy/fiction), but how would doing so help the reader? -- Hoary (talk) 08:35, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Resubmitting my draft !

resubmitting a draft

Hello ! I have re-edited my first drat that was rejected here (Ana Maria Gayoso) But i'm not sure its taken into account by Wikimedia ? Could someone help me check that it's still an open draft and could someone actually create the article page if it now meets the standard of wikipedia ? Thanks ! Hamudauw (talk) 07:51, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

hi Hamudauw! your draft is still open and can be submitted, you may have accidentally removed the header and comments. i have readded them. happy editing!  melecie  t - 08:14, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
fixing failed ping: Hamudauw  melecie  t - 08:15, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
Draft:Ana María Gayoso was Declined, not Rejected (more severe), and then resubmitted. While waiting for the next reviewer, try to address the Comments. David notMD (talk) 11:25, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
MANY (1, 2, 6, 7, 8...) of the references are to journal articles for which she is not a co-author. Remove all those. Remove a lot of the science description. What needs to be referenced is what people published about her, not about her field of research. For academics, there is often a section titled "Selected works" to list journal articles or books authored or co-authored by the subject of the article. This is allowed content, but is not sufficient to confirm notability unless the person has been written about. David notMD (talk) 11:32, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
Accepted. There are still references to journal articles that are not authored by Gayoso, nor mention her. The article is about her, not plankton science. This should be remedied. David notMD (talk) 16:54, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Free File

How can I know if the file I am uploading to Wikipedia commons, is a free file or not?? I downloaded it from a website, but do not know if it free. I uploaded such an image to commons stating that I had downloaded it from the internet and don't know that if it is free or not. But it got deleted. So how can I make sure what I upload is not deleted. I uploaded the cover for a TV show obtained from the internet. Obviously I would not create the poster myself, so how can I then upload it to commons. Please guide me in this respect. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 12:27, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible: "free" has a very specific context in this meaning. Wikimedia Commons only accepts files which are a) under very specific free license or b) are Public Domain. The majority of files found on the internet are copyrighted and cannot be uploaded to Commons. Note that, unless you are the single copyright holder of what you're uploading, you must provide evidence of the file being under the purported license for option a, or public domain for option b. I also recommend that you use the upload wizard, the first page of which is a copyright tutorial. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 13:09, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
@Victor Schmidt mobil: I don't know if your statement is in your own words, or if it comes from some Wikipedia policy or guideline statement. But it might be more clear to say, the majority of files found on the internet are UNDER COPYRIGHT, not that they're COPYRIGHTED. Saying they're copyrighted suggests (doesn't say, but only suggests) that someone went through the copyright process with the Copyright Office. And I'd bet that that's not true with the overwhelming majority of stuff on the Internet. But it's still mostly under copyright--even if much of it is freely downloaded and uploaded. Under Copyright Law, at least in the United States, copyright subsists from the moment someone sets something down in some fixed form. The process with the Copyright Office is technically REGISTERING Copyright; it creates a legal record of the facts of copyright. It gives you certain advantages (easier to prove; registration is required before certain legal avenues can be pursued), but it doesn't create copyright. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:14, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
Actually, that's not just US law - it's a condition of the Berne Convention that everything is under copyright on creation. And "under copyright" vs. "copyrighted" is a distinction without a difference as far as we and Commons are concerned. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 18:09, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Citation error

I have a "no-break space character" error in citation number 5 of Draft:History_of_uranium_mining_in_the_Bancroft_area can anyone tell me where I'm going wrong?

CT55555 (talk) 13:24, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

In this edit I replaced the character before the word "Commission" in the "|website" parameter by a simple space. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:43, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
Thank you (talk) ! CT55555 (talk) 13:46, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Biography of deceased person, allegations of criminal behaviour

I am working on Draft:Henry_Maloney. Alegations of his abuse are reported on by the Canadian national broadcasters (i.e. a very reliable source), plus the local newspaper. I wish to proceed with utmost care and avoid breaking rules at WP:ATTACK or any other missteps. Is my draft compliant, does anyone have any coments? CT55555 (talk) 13:51, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

From the basic information in the article (ignoring the allegations of abuse) this person seems to be a classic example of a a low-profile individual who would never reach the threshold of notability for a priest. So I think we are looking at someone notable for one event and suspected of a crime. Personally, I think that these guidelines suggest the article should be declined, at least as it stands now. Clearly, Wikipedia does contain articles that describe never-proved allegations, such as Jimmy Savile sexual abuse scandal but that was a very high-profile case with multiple sources and it concerned an individual who was a media personality with their own longstanding article at Jimmy Savile. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:13, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
@CT55555 I tend to agree with @Michael D. Turnbull. This is a non-notable person about whom unproven allegations appear to have been made, albeit it in a mainstream source. I don't feel that alone justifies an article unless the media followed his prior or subsequent life journey and wrote in detail on that. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:26, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
Michael D. Turnbull Nick Moyes I have a history book in front of me that talks about him a few times, I was actually working on the article because I learned of him while writing about mining in Bancroft. His community work there made him seem notable to me (background Draft:History_of_uranium_mining_in_the_Bancroft_area He was maybe notable for the one event of representing the community to the prime minister, but the abuse is the second notable event, I think. So I think I can establish notability, but do welcome alternative perspectives on that element too CT55555 (talk) 14:29, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
@CT55555 OK, well in that case by all means carry on if you feel they will indeed meet WP:NBIO, and assuming the book is a properly published one. I'd advise stripping out all the detailed quotes about "anal rape" and keeping that section into a couple of sentences about allegations, whilst balancing that against what you feel are notable achievements. Brief mentions alone might not be sufficient, whereas detailed accounts might well be. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:38, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
@CT55555: I think that your draft on the uranium mine is very promising and Maloney probably deserves his mention therein. I'd give up on his stand-alone article but you're welcome to persevere and see what the reviewers say: I'm not among that august group. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:44, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
Thanks Mike Turnbull If my mining one doens't make the cut, I'm giving up on this website, lol. CT55555 (talk) 14:50, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Changed image too similar to previous image and rejected?

Hi all! What do I do if an image I edited to replace a previous one is too similar and is rejected by Wiki as a duplicate?

I'm working on the article of the Battle of Gosselies, and I created some battle maps using Google Earth and historical maps. However I'm still improving and refining my research, and I got one location slightly off and edited my image to reflect the correct location. Essentially all I did was move one white dot on the map. This was not detected by Wiki and it flagged it as a duplicate, which it isn't. So I can't update the map, and I can't delete the original file I uploaded either. As a battle map and as a location that was part of the combat, that location matters. How do I replace that image and get the updated image accepted? Talamioros (talk) 15:39, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

@Talamioros: If you navigate to the filepage on Commons, for example here, there is a file history section below the current version where it says "Upload a new version of this file". As far as I'm aware, the new upload is not compared with the old version and just replaces it. I assume you got into trouble because you tried to upload the edited version under a new name. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:00, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
@Michael D. Turnbull: I'm not sure if I've got your name right, this reply mechanism is a bit arcane...but I have tried doing what you suggested, and the update was still rejected because moving one dot was too small a change and Wiki still considered it a duplicate. I've sidestepped the issue however, by cropping the images to a slightly different proportion, and I had those uploaded as new uploads without issue. Talamioros (talk) 06:49, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
@Talamioros: You said that you made the maps "using Google Earth". Does that mean that the aerial photography used as the background for the maps came from Google Earth? If it does, that might be a problem, since images from Google Earth generally aren't sufficiently free to be used on Wikimedia Commons. In any case, you should should mention the source of the background imagery in the file description. If you visit the pictures' pages on Commons you can edit the description to add a note to the "source" field. (Visiting from Commons: Teahouse hosts should tell me if I'm out of line) --bjh21 (talk) 18:27, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
@Bjh21: Yes, that's right, unfortunately. What I have done is used a blank Earth shot with no annotations, and then annotated it with my own historical map information, allowing readers to see how the spaces relate to modern locations. In the absence of time to rectify the picture, and in the belief that the maps are crucial to explain the description of the battle, I'll be leaving the current images there for the time being while I plan to rectify it. I have, as suggested, updated the source as a stopgap measure. Thanks to the page you shared about the media resources, I'll do up a replica of the maps on Maps For Free once I have the time, which will be sooner rather than later, and replace the current Google Earth-based ones. Of course, if it's a real immediate problem, you or other editors can take any necessary action. Either way, now that I know where else I can get a blank map, I'll have replacements up shortly. Talamioros (talk) 05:58, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Italicising works within reference titles

Is there any consensus on whether or not to italicise the titles of works within reference titles? I feel like I've read somewhere to leave the title, but there is no mention on MOS:ITALICS.

For context, reference #30 on Elisabeth Dermot Walsh has the phrase "Inside Soap Awards" in the title; as Inside Soap is the title of a work, it should be italicised within prose. Does this rule carry onto citations? – DarkGlow • 16:49, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

DarkGlow Citations just reiterate the source in every way so if it's italicized in the source's title, italicize, and if it isn't don't. Our MOS doesn't extend outwards, to dictate and regulate how others should style their texts. — Alalch Emis (talk) 18:11, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Standard ArbCom sanctions notice

Hello, again Teahouse hosts,

Sorry if I am being a bit slow here, I've tried reading the relevant links but I'm finding everything a bit opaque. I have had two "Standard ArbCom sanctions notice" dropped on my talk page by a particular administrator with whom I had a disagreement about a fairly subjective topic. No edits were involved, the discourse on the talk page remained civil throughout, and after making my case as best I could, I left the page. I'm not sharing this in an effort to get someone to overturn anything or tell me I was in the right, but I'm having a little trouble understanding what these notices mean in practical terms.

Generally speaking, I have no intention of ever making an edit on a contentious matter without approval from the talk page, but if my butting heads with one administrator over an issue that they have strong interests in means I will not be able to edit any biographies going forward, it's something I'd like to look at appealing. If it just means administrators are going to be looking a little more closely at my edits, I'm fine with that.

Thanks John Bullock (talk) 16:56, 26 November 2021 (UTC) John Bullock (talk) 16:56, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

John Bullock, both messages say "This is a standard message ... It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date." They don't reflect on anything that you've done. But if you're thinking of editing articles about contentious subjects (e.g. the Palestine/Israel conflict), it's only fair to warn you that there are some rather strict rules in force there. Maproom (talk) 17:08, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick reply. No, I had no plans to edit contentious articles. I joined in the discussion on this one because I had an opinion on the proposed changes, but I would never have actually made edits that were likely to ruffle feathers unless there'd been a consensus. I was just concerned it might have affected my ability to make perfectly uncontroversial edits. The administrator in question stated that my disagreement with them should disqualify me from editing biographies at all shortly before the notice arrived, so I wasn't sure if they had... taken steps, shall we say. Thanks again. John Bullock (talk) 17:16, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
Even if they had, without a formal discretionary sanctions warning for <foo> you cannot be sanctioned for actions taken in the <foo> topic area (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness). I've seen a few arbitration enforcement threads closed with no substantive action taken because the person being dragged to AE was not formally warned. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 18:19, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
but I would never have actually made edits that were likely to ruffle feathers—It's not so much the edits as the subject area that is concerned; even making minor, entirely uncontroversial edits to an article under discretionary sanctions is likely to see you given a notification of those sanctions; it's simply that editing an article in that remit at all will signal that you're paying attention to them and therefore should be given a fair heads-up about it. It doesn't reflect on the substance of anything you have done or may yet do. ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ 23:07, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
  • Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, if I’m reading this correctly you are referencing this & this, right? I don’t think you have interacted with them nor with any sysop per se, with this current account you are using. In any case, it means you may have taken interest in topic areas that are sensitive and you ought to handle (the article) with caution, it doesn’t necessarily indicate that your edits may have run afoul of any policy or you being in any trouble, it is a standard message. Celestina007 (talk) 23:09, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Actress Wanting Page Created

Hello, I am an actress and would like to establish a Wikipedia page, but I see that I may not create it myself. Sure could use some help. Where can I find someone to create this for me? Thank you. Normajeanactress (talk) 23:19, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Normajeanactress Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia has articles, not mere pages. Articles about actors/actresses must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the person, showing how they meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable actor or actress. If you truly feel that you meet that definition, you may make a request at Requested articles, though the backlog is severe.
Be advised that a Wikipedia article is not necessarily desirable. There are good reasons to not want one. My advice is that you go on with your life and career, and allow independent editors to take note of your career and choose to write about you. That's usually the best indicator of notability. 331dot (talk) 23:34, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi Normajeanactress, thank you for your interest in contributing! You can make a draft article at Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Your draft will be accepted if enough info has been provided by secondary reliable sources, as per the general notability guideline. You should also write in a neutral point of view, addressing the positive and the negative aspects and avoiding unnecessary info. If you want to request the article, you can do so at Wikipedia:Requested articles. ObserveOwl (talk) 23:45, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
Normajeanactress - Because of our WP:Conflict of interest policy, you obviously cannot create this article yourself. If you are notable and there are a number of reliable sources about you as an actress, you should just continue living life as stated by 331dot. You could eventually reach a point where you are notable enough, but I am unsure if the subject of you is fit for an article. Happy editing! - cheezejack | talk | contributions - 01:03, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
Correction: Autobiography is frowned upon but not prohibited. See WP:AUTO. One problem in writing about oneself if finding independent references to support what you know to be true about yourself. David notMD (talk) 01:37, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Getting started

I have worked my way through a sandbox, and feel happy with the process, (except the fact that I deleted everything and cannot get it back!). I started to set up an article, but find that I cannot get it started. Simple I'm sure, but I am a bit of a dinosaur. I was pleased not to have to learn the wIKITEXT THOUGH! (talk) 23:37, 26 November 2021 (UTC) (talk) 23:37, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello. I recommend that you read Your first article. Cullen328 (talk) 23:42, 26 November 2021 (UTC)


How do you align things? The banner on my talk page looks weird with the banner on the left and the I-5 shield in the middle, and I want to move the banner to the center. InterstateFive (talk) 01:30, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@InterstateFive: Welcome to the Teahouse! You can add <center>...</center> around the banner to center it, or create a table. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:19, 27 November 2021 (UTC)


Hello, I am having trouble publishing an article about an actor I like. He is in two series on Netflix, and a few different sites containing biographical information. However the approval person says this actor is not noteworthy. I don't see how this is possible Is being in two different Netflix series sufficient for being noteworthy? Sirspensir (talk) 04:21, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@Sirspensir: Welcome to the Teahouse. See WP:NACTOR – for one thing, it isn't just about what series he's appeared in, but also the notability of those series and the significance of his roles. ClaudineChionh (talkcontribs) 04:36, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
@Sirspensir: It's also required to provide multiple independent sources that provide significant coverage of the actor, and the Netflix links are not independent. Also, please do not remove the AFC templates from Draft:Eldar Kalimulin, as they provide you important information to improve your draft, as well as giving you a method to resubmit the draft when you've improved it. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:47, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
Sirspensir (talk) the reviewer did not say that the actor wasn't notable, but that Draft:Eldar Kalimulin did not show him to be notable. Your draft consists of only one sentence, and two of your online references were Netflix cites which just showed that the series existed, and didn't even list Kalimulin's name. Did he have recurring roles in those series, or just have a small role in a couple of episodes? The other reference was in a foreign language, showed a photo of the actor, and a few bits of information I couldn't read. Are there newspaper or magazine articles about Kalimulin? Not articles just mentioning he was in a series, but ones giving details about his acting career, awards he's been nominated for, or other accomplishments that would make someone believe the person was notable. Reading Help:Your first article may help you improve your draft. Best wishes on your article project. Karenthewriter (talk) 05:09, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
@ClaudineChionh The reason I wanted to make this article is that the other actors in this series have Wikipedia articles, and only this actor's name is in red signifying he doesn't have a page. The show is in the 'Popular on Netflix' section, so I think it seems to be quite relevant. Moreover, I feel being on Netflix is no small feat.
@GoingBatty Thank you for that info. I was unaware Netflix is not considered an independent source. I will brush up on that. I am not sure what you mean by removing the AFC templates... I shall also look into that.
@Karenthewriter Thank you for differentiating that - being noteworthy and being shown to be noteworthy, those are two quite different things. Also, Eldar Kalimulin is listed on the page to which I provided the link. His name is listed 6th for actors and I believe he is in every episode of both shows. I used those as references because I saw that the page of one of the lead actors used them as references, so I thought they would work for the other actor which I am writing the page for (though of course there were additional sources for the main actor). Thank you all for your advice! I am really enjoying this learning experience and grateful for the friendly community — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sirspensir (talkcontribs) 07:14, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
Sirspensir perhaps if a person has a Netflix account Kalimulin's name can be seen on the links, but I could only see an advertisement that shows names of 3 actors. I looked again after you stated he was listed on the page, and I tried to click on different "tabs" but just got a notice that I needed to register with Netflix. I wasn't able to see that Kalimulin was connected to the series. Karenthewriter (talk) 01:07, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
@Sirspensir: Those big pink boxes at the top of Draft:Eldar Kalimulin are the Articles for Creation (AfC) templates. When you click the "Edit source" tab on your draft, you'll see templates such as {{AFC submission}} and {{AFC comment}} with a comment stating "Do not remove this line!" Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:32, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
Hello, Sirspensir. Netflix is not considered an independent source doesn't really make sense without context. Netflix is not an independent source for information about any Netflix show, or the people involved in one. It could in principle be an independent source about something else (though I don't know in what circumstances Netflix might publish information about something else). --ColinFine (talk) 17:46, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Pls what about jss examination (talk) 06:40, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. The Teahouse is for asking questions about editing Wikipedia. Do you have such a question? Cullen328 (talk) 06:46, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Draft decline question by Johnscy

Why my draft been declined again and again Johnscy (talk) 08:15, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello Johnscy. You have been given lots of advice on your talk page: User talk:Johnscy. Is there anything there that you don't understand?--Shantavira|feed me 09:08, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
Johnscy: the first sentence of Draft:Ankit Yadav is blatantly promotional. So is the second sentence. The third "sentence" is not a sentence at all, it's ungrammatical. All that could be fixed. A more serious problem is that the draft cites no sources (though it does list some). To make an acceptable article, you'll need to find some independent sources (not written by the subject, not based on interviews with him), and base what you write entirely on what those sources say about him. Maproom (talk) 10:23, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Help with module editing

How do I add the presence of a particular group in a specific district without overlapping with the dot for that district? --Firestar464 (talk) 10:09, 27 November 2021 (UTC) Firestar464 (talk) 10:09, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Maybe this is about Module:Taliban_insurgency_detailed_map?   Maproom (talk) 10:26, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, I am obsessed with it :P. --Firestar464 (talk) 10:31, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Adding content on existing page

Hello Sir/Madam, I Tushar Nikam have created a new account on Wikipedia and wanted to add proper and verified content to existing wiki pages. I have been posting content from as I represent them. We write the article ourselves related to our niche with proper sources. As I am new to this I have a few doubts regarding content posting,
1. Do I need to make an account for posting in the name of the company?
2. If not, Do I need to submit the documents regarding the verification for representing a company?
3. Can I create new pages which don't exist on Wikipedia?
Thank you for letting me know some things and I would like to contribute to our wiki community.
Regards, Tushar Nikam. TusharNikam5 (talk) 10:45, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Based on your contribs, you are evidently WP:NOTHERE. --Firestar464 (talk) 10:48, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
@TusharNikam5: Your activity here so far only had undesirable effects, with no benefit to the encyclopedia. If you continue to display a narrow self-interested or promotional activity in article writing your editing privileges will be suspended. You can contribute as a paid editor, whereby the motivation to contribute is self-interested, but the results are objectively in the interest of Wikipedia. However it will be very hard for you to form a correct picture for what counts as benefit to Wikipedia, as someone for whom the primary motivation is self-interested. It's important that you understand and accept this, and to try to learn how Wikipedia is improved through normal editorial processes which are all based around selfless, volunteering, work. To answer your questions:
  1. Posting in the name of your company, such as by creating an account for the company, to represent the company here, is prohibited. You can only contribute as an individual, so that it is always you as a human person who is associated with the account (see WP:NAMEGUIDE). Then you would be required to disclose your employer/client/affiliations per WP:PAID. Despite being paid, you would still be using the account in your own name and on your own behalf, and this disclosure would simply inform the community of a specific type of risk arising from your activity, that would be constantly scrutinized. Since your current account has already been used for paid editing, don't create another account for this purpose.
  2. You don't need to submit any documents.
  3. You would be able to submit new articles in accordance with the Wikipedia:Conflict of interest guideline; this means that Wikipedia:Articles for creation would need to be used.
— Alalch Emis (talk) 12:29, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
Do not create more than one account and then use more than one account to edit an article. Wikipedia refers to that as sockpuppetry (WP:SOCKPUPPET), which will lead to being indefinitely blocked from editing. David notMD (talk) 14:53, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Section of an Article

in the section Characteristics in the Woody (Toy Story) article is it fine to keep/necessary or is it something that should actually be in the article? Kaleeb18 (talk) 15:05, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18: Welcome to the teahouse, yes, you can keep it, but in that section you pointed out, there is a lot of citation markings, and you might want to do some research to add citations (if needed). So far, there is 2-3 "citation needed" markings, and do some research! Maybe you can add citations and erase the markings on the page. Severestorm28 (talk) 15:12, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
The place to ask is on the article's talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:13, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
@David Biddulph: yes I know, but nothing ever gets answered there until a year later. Kaleeb18 (talk) 15:15, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
@David Biddulph: I think @Kaleeb18: meant to ask here, at the teahouse, for questions. Severestorm28 (talk) 15:51, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

I need your help

Hi I'm new in Wikipedia, One person in our country who was the invited to the united nation's general assembly in 2013 his name Baqibillah Mishkat Chowdhury, I was created a article about his biography and submitted to draft space. after some time I was moved that ‍article in the main space. After that a person move the article from main space to draft space. Then I was deleted that Article from the draft space. After some time I wrote same Article in the draft space and submitted for approve. I attached all reference in article. But a few minutes ago was decline my article. I want to know my article is correctly submitted or if there is any mistake. I hoe you will help me. Thanks Sumon Mahmud786 (talk) 16:56, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@Sumon Mahmud786: Welcome to the Teahouse. The recent reviewer appears to have concerns over a few things: the addition of a lot of citations (considered overciting; only 1–3 reliable sources are needed); ensuring that the sources are reliable, secondary, independent, and significantly talk about the subject; and the use of a presumably copyright-violating image, which could be replaced with a fair-use equivalent if the draft is accepted into mainspace. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:03, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
@Tenryuu 🐲 how to resubmit for review i' don't know please help me, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sumon Mahmud786 (talkcontribs) 17:08, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
@Sumon Mahmud786: Symbol redirect vote2.svg Courtesy link: Draft:Baqibillah Mishkat Chowdhury There is a re-submit button at the bottom of the template where Timtrent declined your original submission. Note that, contrary to what Tenryuu implied, images of a living person that are under copyright are not allowed in articles about them, as the free-use rationale will not be met: it is assumed that someone could take and freely license a new image (see WP:NFC#UUI). For the present, focus on tidying up the article as suggested in the reviewers comments. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:21, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

How to mention myself (or someone else, for that matter)

I'm working on a userstyle for Wikipedia and need to generate a mention to test a edit I am doing to the notification area. Is there any way I can do that?\ Thanks, Maccore Henni user talk Please talk back using ```tb``` to increase your chances of being responded to. Thank you very, very much! 17:59, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@Mac Henni Welcome. I have no idea what you are seeking to achieve by this request. But if this is an example of you trying to welcome new users, it fails utterly. I can't make head nor tails out of all the rambling garbage in your signature, and have no idea what you mean by saying ```tb``` I suspect that a new user would have even less of a clue. Please don't leave it like that and please don't leave similarly signed messages for anyone else. Thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:15, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
Presumably they mean {{tb}}. MEisSCAMMER 00:41, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
@Mac Henni Please see WP:SIGNATURE. I couldn't even tell it was a signature until the timestamp. - cheezejack | talk | contributions - 00:45, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Romulus and Remus (Rubens)

Hello! Please, expand this articles.--Станислав Савченко (talk) 18:01, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Article about a Rubens painting created in 2009; never referenced. David notMD (talk) 18:41, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
@Станислав Савченко: You may want to ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Visual arts. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:56, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

How do I move a draft of a new Wiki page out of my Sandbox?

I have a draft of a new Wiki page - Brother Michael Titus Moylan, Superior General of the Christian Brothers - in my Sandbox. What do I have to do to be allowed to publish it? BuffyO'B (talk) 18:53, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@BuffyO'B: Welcome to the Teahouse! You have no independent reliable sources for Draft:Michael Titus Moylan (Find a Grave is user-generated, and is therefore considered generally unreliable.) I suggest you follow the guidance at Help:Your first article. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:59, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

An edit to a page

The date of birth for rachid Khdar is wrong because the government had the wrong date abut now that it is corrected I want to change it but my request keeps getting deleted . I can provide other proof but if you go to his face book profile you can see his real birth date Ikosaheadrom (talk) 20:51, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote2.svg Courtesy link: Rachid Khdar
@Ikosaheadrom:WP:FACEBOOK says The official page of a subject may be used as a self-published, primary source, but only if it can be authenticated as belonging to the subject.
However, the Facebook link you provide is a personal profile, not a public page, so even if we could be sure it was authentic, I suspect that using this as a source for date of birth may be a breach of privacy. Please see WP:DOB for some considerations. ClaudineChionh (talkcontribs) 22:09, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
@Ikosaheadrom: Welcome to the Teahouse! I suggest discussing this on the article's talk page, Talk:Rachid Khdar. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:37, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Making Pages

YearAccount 213234 (talk) 01:12, 28 November 2021 (UTC) Hey There YearAccount 213234 (talk) 01:12, 28 November 2021 (UTC) Can I Be An Admin

hi YearAccount 213234! not now, it's still way too early for you to be an admin. admins usually need years (yes, years) of experience before getting a realistic chance to be an admin. and even then, admins don't have any advantages over non-admins, they just are regular people holding a mop. happy editing!  melecie  t - 01:41, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
(edit conflict)@YearAccount 213234: Welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. Creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia, especially if you've never edited Wikipedia before. To learn how to edit, you could view Help:Introduction and The Wikipedia Adventure. I suggest then spending a significant amount of time editing existing articles to hone your skills. Once you're ready to create an article, you would gather independent reliable sources that have provided significant coverage of the subject, and determine whether it meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability". If so, you could follow the instructions at Help:Your first article, and be prepared for a process that may include months of waiting, rejections, and rewrites, before an article is created. After lots of experience editing Wikipedia, maybe one day you can be an administrator. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:43, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Menjarna Shenkora to Minjarna Shenkora

 – Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:43, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, this article has the wrong spelling. It's Minjarna Shenkora not Menjarna Shenkora, a google (book) search will confirm it. It's named after an old district of Minjar(still the most used, nice and short). Finally in the web archived census source. On page 8 it's Minjar Shenkora and on page 14 it's Minjarna Shenkora. Can someone change it? Or how do i do it myself? Thanks


Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 01:31, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@Dawit S Gondaria: Welcome to the Teahouse! I suggest discussing the change on the article talk page Talk:Menjarna Shenkora before moving it. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:11, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
@GoingBatty: Oke, sent the creator of article a message, thnx, you too. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 02:26, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Rise of the Moors

How do I change the title from Rise of the Moors to Rise of the Moors MilitiaJune Waugh El (talk) 04:44, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@June Waugh El: Welcome to the Teahouse! Are you referring to User:June Waugh El/sandbox/Rise of the Moors? If so, look at the yellow box at the top of the draft and find where it says "Warning: This page should probably be located at Draft:Rise of the Moors (move)" and click on the "move" link. Then change the name of the draft to "Rise of the Moors Militia" before clicking "Move page". If this is what you want but you are unable to do so, please reply here and one of us will help you with the move. I hope you have several independent sources to add to your draft before submitting it for approval. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:53, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

New math!

Calculator Math made new math, award certificate, and world recorded!!! 718smiley.svg Smalemon (talk) 05:17, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@Smalemon: Welcome to the Teahouse. Did you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:36, 28 November 2021 (UTC)